General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

I am enjoying the discrimination angle of the debate tho. Discrimination already happens, there are still Mens Clubs in the UK, "No shoes, no shirt, no service" is still a thing, posh restaurants can still toss you out for not having a jacket. Some people might get discriminated against by vaccine passports! But hey, lets ignore the little old asian ladies being attacked (and set fire to!) in the US. I guess not all discrimination is equal. 😂
I didn’t know there was so much discrimination in the United Kingdom, the country of freedom.

However, I hope that there will be no segregation concerning the British green certificate (which is not a vaccination passport) and there will be strict controls, and denunciations by the victims, if there are companies, stores, pubs etc ..., which do not respect the laws of the UK. 🤨

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I didn’t know there was so much discrimination in the United Kingdom, the country of freedom.

However, I hope that there will be no segregation concerning the British green certificate (which is not a vaccination passport) and there will be strict controls, and denunciations by the victims, if there are companies, stores, pubs etc ..., which do not respect the laws of the UK. 🤨

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Pubs and shops in the UK have always been able to decline service as and when they see fit. Perfectly legal.
 
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Benefit/harm chart from announcement now by JVT on the beeb for low risk group
 
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Below is the total vaccine production in the world to date.

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In France today, the Delpharm group has started bottling Pfizer / BioNTech vaccines. Four other sites of the Recipharm, Fareva and Sanofi laboratories will follow, which will produce the Moderna, the CureVac and the Janssen.

"We will be able to produce 250 million doses by the end of the year," assured the Minister of Industry.

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Belgium reserves the AstraZeneca vaccine for people over the age of 55 years, following the opinion of the European Medicines Agency (EMA) confirming a link to cases of blood clots.

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The scientific committee overseeing the vaccination campaign against Covid in the United Kingdom, the JCVI, recommended on Wednesday to limit the use of the Astrazeneca vaccine to only people over 30 years old.

It is obviously an admission of suspicion.

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Nope. I mean they cannot refuse service based on gender, race, sexual orientation, etc
This is the minimum for a civilized country, nothing extraordinary here.

Contrary to my idea of the UK, I have the impression that this country still has a lot of progress to make in the respect of laws and democracy.

I am very disappointed, I must admit.

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This is the minimum for a civilized country, nothing extraordinary here.

Contrary to my idea of the UK, I have the impression that this country still has a lot of progress to make in the respect of laws and democracy.

I am very disappointed, I must admit.

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I wouldn’t worry about it, I’m guessing you won’t be heading over here anytime soon so it won’t affect you
 
I wouldn’t worry about it, I’m guessing you won’t be heading over here anytime soon so it won’t affect you
Well it affects me because I had an overvalued opinion of the United Kingdom during all my life and I realize that there are a lot of things that do not correspond to the image I had of this country.

I must say that your previous post in which you say:

"I mean they cannot refuse service based on gender, race, sexual orientation, etc "

stunned me !

Worthy of an underdeveloped country in the heart of Africa.

Incredible and sad. :(

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The scientific committee overseeing the vaccination campaign against Covid in the United Kingdom, the JCVI, recommended on Wednesday to limit the use of the Astrazeneca vaccine to only people over 30 years old.

It is obviously an admission of suspicion.

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0.8 <1.1 in ages under 30.
Please see ianw's data above. The vaccination has very low benefits below that age, and is not worth giving if only ICU admissions are considered.

If 1/3 Covid victims end up with depression, psychosis, mood disorders etc as the Lancet data indicate, it would appear that they should reconsider. The ICU workload isn't the only thing that matters.

If 1/100 depression cases commit suicide in that agegroup, it will dwarf anything the vaccine might be doing to the healthy. Costs of handling psychosis in people aged 25 up are gigantic, as they get added to a lifetime of lost earnings. These problems emerge 6 months later after the cases "recover".

Linking the Lancet findings here:
 
Do you think it may be less effective and more likely to cause issues if the person vaccinated is unaware they have covoid or may have long covoid?
Some of the symptoms i have from other stuff are similar but not all. Diagnosed in 2018 tho...but just wondering.
 
Do you think it may be less effective and more likely to cause issues if the person vaccinated is unaware they have covoid or may have long covoid?
Some of the symptoms i have from other stuff are similar but not all. Diagnosed in 2018 tho...but just wondering.

If we vaccinate people already infected/with sequelae? That hasn't even been studied. No data to go on.

Cmdr. Stigbob maybe could give a viewpoint as an example, but so far he's fine, AFAIK.

Let's run numbers.
32 million cases in USA. 1/3 are getting brain issues, according to Lancet survey data. That's about 11 million people. If 1 in ten get depression, That's 1.1 million. If just 1 percent go on to suicide, that's 11 thousand additional deaths, lowballing the disaster.
Guessing risk factors: that will be ones who own guns (likely to succeed at attempt) but won't wear masks(likely to get infected) and got sick bad(over 40).

We need to figure a way to stop that. Maybe something nutritional can protect the brain from deteriorating? Maybe depressed victims voluntarily store their guns till recovery? Maybe a mental health program might help? If we can see it coming, it might be possible to mitigate it.
 
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