Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

The story of my night...jumped in with the guys to do the 890J mission, glitched inside an EVA suit locker somehow with no way to free myself...so they left me there for half an hour whilst I stupidly assumed they were looking for a way to free me. Once I realised they had no intention of doing so and not wanting to commit Sepuku and lose all my gear, I logged out and back in again....only to find myself spawning back into the same cupboard. *&%$ your new working persistence Ci¬G...

Friends...can't live with them, can't live (or die) without them 😑

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Are said friends going in a few boxes and chucked into space later?
 
Is this before or after whatever pressure is on the server i.e. from curious gamers taking advantage of the free to play/free ships period?

It’s recent, so during the free fly. But that actual bug existed already in 3.15. (Corpses displaying as headless t-posers)

Whether the free fly is making stuff like that worse? Your guess is as good as anyone’s ;)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/r1gf5v Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/r1gf5v/something_dodgy_is_going_on_in_everus_harbor/
 
It’s recent, so during the free fly. But that actual bug existed already in 3.15. (Corpses displaying as headless t-posers)

Whether the free fly is making stuff like that worse? Your guess is as good as anyone’s ;)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/r1gf5v Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/r1gf5v/something_dodgy_is_going_on_in_everus_harbor/
The free-fly is making everything worse...desync and associated server related errors in every avenue of gameplay have now reached new levels of intolerable. Ci¬G are also unlikely to issue a patch fix until the free-fly is over, even though the PTU build is still active. I can't wait till it's over and done with :cautious:
 
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Guy seemingly gives away his $2.5k fleet in a huff.

Turns out he’s apparently a programmer of 20+ years, and prone to digging behind the scenes:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/mkfq15/_/gthkbug
Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/mkfq15/development_hell/gthkbug/

Oh, and as a bonus, he was an ED 'refugee' of sorts back in January ;)

So just a fun bit of unverifiable gossip about server meshing ultimately. (But on the pile it goes ;))

Follow up fun from the OP 😁

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qzxy93/_/hlthmn1 Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qzxy93/im_done_who_wants_my_stuff/hlthmn1/


Still to be taken with a carafe of condiment of course. But on the 'board member' thing, hypothetically he'd have Erin's number in that case ;)
 
Follow up fun from the OP 😁

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qzxy93/_/hlthmn1 Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/qzxy93/im_done_who_wants_my_stuff/hlthmn1/


Still to be taken with a carafe of condiment of course. But on the 'board member' thing, hypothetically he'd have Erin's number in that case ;)

Sure, pinch of salt, but Bootcha who had ties to CR was the earliest big detractor, so wouldn't be surprising if over time others who had ties to CR/CIG also started to let their feelings known.
 
Sure, pinch of salt, but Bootcha who had ties to CR was the earliest big detractor, so wouldn't be surprising if over time others who had ties to CR/CIG also started to let their feelings known.

Oh I mean there's quite the list of "I've worked with Chris, he's doing XYZ again, the project is boned" quotes about the place now. The vast majority are in the anonymous realm though. (It's a bit unprofessional to go full 'stand up and point fingers' etc ;)). Or via second hand gossip etc.

Bootcha was a big fan, stuck proper investment money on the line, and then found what he saw behind the scenes morally dubious. He's got a more potent cocktail of reasons to come forward than most. (And he's still doing that with his cosplay helmet on in theory).
 
You know, it only takes a cursory look at the general discussion forum to see your statement is 100% false.

There was a big hoo-ha recently about a person getting banned from the forums for being critical. Turned out, he wasn't even banned from the forum. He had a temp ban from the thread.

That's a far cry from CIG's 10 year bans.... but having said that, a 10 year ban on Spectrum isn't an issue. Its not like the ban is still going to be in effect when SC releases :D
Not false. I'm living proof. Many were banned for criticizing. User names just don't say banned under them like they use to.
 
Not false. I'm living proof. Many were banned for criticizing. User names just don't say banned under them like they use to.

Then i'm pretty certain you actually broke a rule and not banned for criticizing. If people were banned for being critical half the forum would be banned. I'd be banned.
Very true, some of the stuff I have posted has been highly critical and not even had a warning (just look at my posting history :D)
 
Just for fun, here are:

Some entirely unverifiable things that have been said about CR & CIG:

Sept 2015
I have friends who work at CIG - not David Jennison and I won't name names to protect the innocent - and I have to say this story sounds familiar. Effort can be poured into something for months and then Chris will just one day go another way or change who he wants leading an initiative - sometimes without the people currently working on it even knowing for a while, or why the change in direction.

Nov 2015
CIG is stuck in a Sisyphean hell of incompetence. Case in point, I know of a guy who was working on the ship's damage states. He spent the better part of a year working and re-working the same problem because Chris kept changing the stuff up. He worked diligently on this single feature for nearly a year before quitting, as there was no end to the re-works in sight.

May 2016 - E3 2nd-hand gossip
Chris and I had a pretty good working relationship, I think. Great even, as long as you don't share anything negative. As long as you don't say no or make things too complicated. We started calling him Chris the Ripper because he absolutely eviscerated people that tried explaining things to him.

April 2016
I can tell you this. Any one who brought up performance issues got a stone cold stare. you never bring up performance with croberts if it means sacrificing fidelity. issues were raised, and beaten down into the sirt as fast as possible.

April 2018
He’s a poser perfectionist who has no idea how to describe what he actually wants, but he’s more then happy to tell someone that something they’ve been slaving over for days (from his last feedback session) is not what he is looking for. Thus, sending that person spiraling for another batch of days and nights trying to come up with something he will like. Any CIG people reading this and having some ptsd from the description?

DA was the only studio I’ve ever had the displeasure of sleeping under my desk numerous nights.

Oct 2018
A relative of mine worked for Cloud Imperium for a couple years. According to him the problems with the game's development start with the word 'Chris' and end with the word 'Roberts.' He called the man, "the Dunningest Krugerian I've ever met" whose micromanagement of things he doesn't understand and constantly shifting, often cluelessly impossible demands were acting as sand in the gears. He also said every time Chris got in front of a camera the devs would groan because he'd start waving his hands around and promising a dozen new features or mechanics, none of which had even been sketched on a napkin by anyone else.

He left last year though so now who knows.

May 2019
Had lunch with an ex-designer from the Squadron 42 studio today. But nothing groundbreaking to say other then to continue to confirm what is known

-Endlessly frustrated after a year of everything on that game changing over and over again, leading to all the work needing to be constantly scrapped or reworked. He left in total frustration

-Massive attrition constantly occurring every month

-Liked Erin but said he is a slave to his brothers insanity

-75% of the studios time is pulled to help make assets and movies with the other studios, to sell to whales

-Sandi is a very frightening woman and the studio is told in advance to just sit quietly and act really busy when she would visit. Do not even say hi to her or make eye contact. Its safer to be anonymous. Chris would be a bit more chatty but would talk down to people and handlers would usher him away if you talked for more then a few minutes.

-Did not believe the game was a pure scam at the start, just that it morphed into an unachievable product (because chris) and everyone knows that. Staff is mostly first timers who just need jobs but can’t get hired at better places.

-Chris has some odd shoelace fetish and stopped production, for a few weeks, with a large portion of the art team who needed to make them all scratch again on every boot

-Arena commander was made purely to help whales “believe” and get more funding

- Ex Designer had never heard of Derek Smart. Studio was encouraged to stay out of forums. Especially Reddit

-Did not have to sign any legally binding gag contracts when he left. Was free talk about it if he wanted but just didn’t care enough to talk in forums. Said it was just sad and depressing there and felt bad for the guys who had to remain because of no prospects elsewhere.

-Even with the switch to Lumberyard, the engine is not enough (and probably never will be) to make the MMO game that chris wants - but would be capable of making sq42 if chris ever reigned it into a scope that was possible

-Never provided any design direction to the sq42 team for mechanics or gameplay, And Is perceived as completely uneducated on game development

-Did make one joke at lunch and said “but in the end it will all be okay, because chris will code it”

There’s more but its all just blah blah blah stuff that the forum already knows. It just confirms it again

Jan 2020
I worked for M$ for ten years building OS's and Flight Simulator. I know what software and game development looks like and CGI has demonstrated the worst version of it I have ever seen. There are those who stand behind Chris Roberts and then there are those who know his history. He was fired from M$ because he spent funds on making movies instead of game development...


And some slightly more verifiable statements by devs:


Aug 2015 - Dan Rosenthal [Bethesda]
And suddenly I don't feel like the worst producer in the world anymore.

March 2016 - Rob Irving [Origin / CIG etc]
Rob Irving: He always is going to probably go bigger than he should. But, you know, this comes from me with my producer hat on. It's like: "At some point you got to stop man". That's my producer hat...
Matt Barton: So really what he needs is, he needs somebody to tell him: "Cut this, cut this, cut this..."...
Rob Irving: That's what he doesn't want though. And that's what, you know, that's the thing that he built for himself with that, with this campaign is, you know, I get to do whatever I want. And that's, sometimes that's not a good thing, you know?
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PLwo3YCY_8&t=378s


March 2016 - George Broussard [Duke Nukem Forever etc]
Listened to the SC part. Anyone who works in games can tell that 1) Rob knows what he's talking about 2) he's being nice and 3) the game is out of control and will never ship to high standards :) it would be easy for common gamers to dismiss his comments or spin them, because they have no idea what they are talking about.

July 2016 - Richard Lyle [Origin etc]
...I worked with Chris at Origin and I didn't even bother backing in the first place. He's more interested in making movies than games I'm afraid.

Aug 2016 - Mike Wikan [id Software etc]
It's Clown Car leadership over there. If I was Chris I would just be too embarrassed to even talk to fans at this point.

Sept 2016 - Jason Bentley [Destiny 2 etc]
Oh yeah; he's the text book definition of the "wouldn't it be cool if..." Project manager.

Things are one-offs with no re-useability, programming today was yesterday's new idea and reasonable trade-offs are rejected because 'I have high standards'.
It's this kind of management that actually prevents projects from shipping on time and really pushes away highly competent self-motivated employees

Jan 2017 - Martin 'Wiz' Anward [Stellaris / Paradox]
I am pretty smug, but honestly Star Citizen is just kind of really funny. It's the perfect amalgamation of so many things that are wrong about the games industry, and whenever it's brought up in any gathering of game devs it's good for a few laughs and stories about terrible bosses

December 2017 - Ryan Elam [Planetside 2 etc]
I think it has literally become impossible to make this into a game. Making an MMO is hard enough with out the added restriction of needing to make SURE that HOWEVER your gameplay works, it keeps the value of a bunch of crap that it shipped with. You either completely bone the people you've been boning for the last several years in favor of new players, or you resign yourself to having no new players and just continuously trying to milk the existing ones... which don't really mind you not having a game in the first place apparently. So, this is just an infinite cycle of bullcrap till some class action suit ends it.

May 2018 - James Berg [Mirror's Edge etc]
I backed this way back when, but it’s years past when I expected to see anything meaningful come from this. I’d love to be wrong – I want to believe in the game, but the persistent level of scope explosion (forget scope ‘creep’) makes that unlikely.

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There's plenty more on both piles ;)

(Here's a convenient list of public dev criticisms for those who want it though).
 
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