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Global warming aggravated by the white trails.

The white traces left in the sky form clouds of crystals that retain heat.

With the increase in air traffic, the long white trails left by aircraft in the sky will contribute more and more to global warming, according to a study conducted by German researchers from the Institute of Atmospheric Physics near Munich. "Particles and water from kerosene combustion can cause clouds of ice crystals at altitude to retain the heat emitted by the Earth.

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Global warming aggravated by the white trails.

The white traces left in the sky form clouds of crystals that retain heat.

With the increase in air traffic, the long white trails left by aircraft in the sky will contribute more and more to global warming, according to a study conducted by German researchers from the Institute of Atmospheric Physics near Munich. "Particles and water from kerosene combustion can cause clouds of ice crystals at altitude to retain the heat emitted by the Earth.

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You cannot talk about the affects of air travel; as it negates all of the effort and hard work; road users are doing. At the same time, the likes of Boeing; although they are making a lot of PR noise, about their green credentials, will not be changing how they power their jets, any time soon.
 
You cannot talk about the affects of air travel; as it negates all of the effort and hard work; road users are doing. At the same time, the likes of Boeing; although they are making a lot of PR noise, about their green credentials, will not be changing how they power their jets, any time soon.
Any other ideas?
 
Any other ideas?
A little less hypocrisy, from those dictating, how we should all be as green as we can be; when there are 1,000s of lumps like that crossing the skies each and every hour. totally undoing all the efforts, of the every day person.

The skies cleared and atmosphere was measurably cleaner, 3 days after 9/11. But when bodies in authority are memtioning, how we are all to blame and how we should change our habits. They act as like, the air industry does not exist.
 
A little less hypocrisy, from those dictating, how we should all be as green as we can be; when there are 1,000s of lumps like that crossing the skies each and every hour. totally undoing all the efforts, of the every day person.

The skies cleared and atmosphere was measurably cleaner, 3 days after 9/11. But when bodies in authority are memtioning, how we are all to blame and how we should change our habits. They act as like, the air industry does not exist.
In case you didn't notice, we are the ones fueling the air industry so in any case it's us undoing the efforts.
 
'Part of German soul' under threat as forests die:


A catastrophic combination of heat, drought, storms, forest fires, beetle plagues and a fungi blight have so far this year destroyed swathes of German forest equivalent to more than 200,000 football fields.

Forests are one of the most efficient ways to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, and in Germany alone they are able to absorb 62 million tonnes of CO2 – about 7% of the country’s emissions – every year.

But forests have also been at the heart of Germany’s cultural identity for centuries, and politicians are now seizing the issue – known as waldsterben (dying forest) – as a top priority.
AGW has a wide range of environmental finger-prints (pest booms just one of them), and this kind of pattern will be repeated all around the world over the next few decades.
 
In case you didn't notice, we are the ones fueling the air industry so in any case it's us undoing the efforts.
How am I 'fueling the air industry'? I have not been on a plane, since I was a teenager.

I have said this before: As far as business and commerce are concerned; these days there is no real need to travel. We have the inter-web technology, to do the face to face thing, over the web. No need to travel.
 
How am I 'fueling the air industry'? I have not been on a plane, since I was a teenager.
I didn't say you explicitly, by "us" I meant the population of a normal city.

I have said this before: As far as business and commerce are concerned; these days there is no real need to travel. We have the inter-web technology, to do the face to face thing, over the web. No need to travel.
The internet sure helps to reduce the need but to say that there is no need is not correct, regardless, most people travel for family, transport and vacations.
 
It's difficult, especially if you come from a country that has crummy weather! But i also like Arry stopped taking planes a longtime ago (my reason was the environmental one) and either stayed local to the uk (we do have some really beautiful places if you look hard enough) or just keep trips abroad closer and take a train (or ship which probably is not hugely 'cleaner' than a plane).

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A slight detour as i delve into why Monsanto was so bad (as in Evil(tm)):

'Revealed: how Monsanto's 'intelligence center' targeted journalists and activists':


Monsanto operated a “fusion center” to monitor and discredit journalists and activists, and targeted a reporter who wrote a critical book on the company, documents reveal. The agrochemical corporation also investigated the singer Neil Young and wrote an internal memo on his social media activity and music.

The records reviewed by the Guardian show Monsanto adopted a multi-pronged strategy to target Carey Gillam, a Reuters journalist who investigated the company’s weedkiller and its links to cancer. Monsanto, now owned by the German pharmaceutical corporation Bayer, also monitored a not-for-profit food research organization through its “intelligence fusion center”, a term that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies use for operations focused on surveillance and terrorism.

The documents, mostly from 2015 to 2017, were disclosed as part of an ongoing court battle on the health hazards of the company’s Roundup weedkiller.

The internal communications add fuel to the ongoing claims in court that Monsanto has “bullied” critics and scientists and worked to conceal the dangers of glyphosate, the world’s most widely used herbicide. In the last year, two US juries have ruled that Monsanto was liable for plaintiffs’ non-Hodgkin lymphoma (NHL), a blood cancer, and ordered the corporation to pay significant sums to cancer patients. Bayer has continued to assert that glyphosate is safe.
There are many companies and organisations that do the same kind of thing in the AGW realm, all with the purpose of discrediting real science to ensure profits first.
 
'Climate change: Marine heatwaves kill coral instantly':


Increasingly frequent marine heatwaves can lead to the almost instant death of corals, scientists working on the Great Barrier Reef have found.

These episodes of unusually high water temperatures are - like heatwaves on land - associated with climate change. Scientists studying coral after a heat event discovered that extreme temperature rises decayed reefs much more rapidly than previously thought. They published their findings in the journal Current Biology.

The study revealed that corals became up to 15% weaker after an extreme heat event, causing some fragments to actually break off from the reef.
 
'How climate’s impact on land threatens civilisation – and how to fix it':


Healthy land provides the food, timber and fresh water essential to humanity’s survival, but a UN report says the climate crisis is damaging this precious resource with potentially irreversible consequences.

The abuse of land by razing forests, intensive farming and loss of soils also produces a quarter of global emissions, further worsening the climate emergency, says the report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

It says ending the degradation of land can play an important role in securing a liveable planet by cutting emissions, providing sustainable food and reducing poverty.

“What the IPCC highlights is that we urgently need a revolution in the way we currently utilise land,” said Anna Krzywoszynska, of the University of Sheffield. “Food systems today are built not on soil but on the oil needed for chemicals and machinery.”

Clare Oxborrow, of Friends of the Earth, said: “The way land is being used and abused is rebounding on us. The scientific evidence is clear: political leaders must transform the way land and resources are used, otherwise life on Earth just won’t be possible.”

Land is heating up faster than the oceans: the average surface temperature is now 1.5C higher than in the late 19th century. This is already affecting food security, the IPPC report says, as heat, drought and changes in rainfall damage crops.
We are at a defining epoch of human civilisation, right now in this 'our' lifetime. Whatever future human society there may be will look back at these centuries in the late 20th and most of the 21st and hold us up as examples of how not to do things (mostly). We're going to be famous (well infamous more like!).
 
'How climate’s impact on land threatens civilisation – and how to fix it':




We are at a defining epoch of human civilisation, right now in this 'our' lifetime. Whatever future human society there may be will look back at these centuries in the late 20th and most of the 21st and hold us up as examples of how not to do things (mostly). We're going to be famous (well infamous more like!).
Unfortunately you are right.

Between the multiple murderous wars, the capitalist jungle, and the destruction of the environment, the future generations will have a beautiful image of the 20th and 21st century.
 

Old article and no doubt someone linked to it last month but it's still relevant. Cleared out my cookies last night and only stuff watched was some music videos and something on photographic composition. Tonight youtube's top recommendation is a video by that crank David Icke making a derriere of himself trying to debunk AGW. Google really needs to sort out its algorithims, fast.
 

Old article and no doubt someone linked to it last month but it's still relevant. Cleared out my cookies last night and only stuff watched was some music videos and something on photographic composition. Tonight youtube's top recommendation is a video by that crank David Icke making a derriere of himself trying to debunk AGW. Google really needs to sort out its algorithims, fast.
So people only get one take on the information? That sounds like a great idea.
 
So people only get one take on the information? That sounds like a great idea.
There isn't a single professional scientific body in the world that disagrees with AGW, not one, in any country. That should tell you something. Youtube recommendations should reflect this scientific reality.
If people want to spout their anti-science, anti AGW crap there, fine. Just don't have it floating to the top in recommendations.
 

"Fracking has “dramatically increased” global methane emissions in the past decade, a new study has warned.
A rapid rise in levels of the greenhouse gas in recent years has been attributed to biological sources such as cows, tropical wetlands and rice fields, but the research reveals the contribution made by the controversial gas extraction process.
Researchers from Cornell University looked at the “chemical fingerprint” of methane in the atmosphere and concluded around a third of emissions in the past decade have come from fracking.
Methane levels rose steadily in the last decades of the 20th century before levelling off for the first decade of the 21st, but since 2008 they have been rising rapidly again.
If the rise continues in coming decades, it will significantly increase global warming and undercut efforts to meet international targets to curb dangerous climate change under the Paris Agreement, the study warns."

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"The amount of wildlife in the world’s forests has plummeted by more than half (53 per cent) in just over 40 years, conservationists have found.
Humanity is killing the Earth’s greatest natural ally in the fight against climate breakdown, our forests, according to the report by the WWF. "



"They might be all over the countryside but more than half of UK children are unable to identify stinging nettles, according to new research.
One in four children also don't know what a badger or robin looks like, according to researchers who showed pictures of British wildlife and plants to 1,000 children between the age of five and 16.
They also found 83 per cent were unable to identify a bumblebee, 82 per cent didn’t know what an oak tree leaf looked like, and only half of them correctly identified a puffin."


Very sad.

"Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone."
 
There isn't a single professional scientific body in the world that disagrees with AGW, not one, in any country. That should tell you something. Youtube recommendations should reflect this scientific reality.
If people want to spout their anti-science, anti AGW crap there, fine. Just don't have it floating to the top in recommendations.
If the consensus is so overwhelming, then why are you so worried about a few dissenting opinions?
 
If the consensus is so overwhelming, then why are you so worried about a few dissenting opinions?
It's not just a few up there on youtube though, as that article points out. To repeat myself, the real annoyance is this garbage coming up in recommendations. I'd feel much the same if they were about creationism or flat earthism.

Why does this matter? It matters because just about all of us live in representative democracies. We vote for politicians who reflect our values. A democracy can only function properly in serving the general populace, and the environment that they depend on for continued existence, if the voters are as well informed as possible. Scientists don't decide what policies are enacted, politicians do. Unfortunately too many are completely scientific illiterate, voted in by deeply misinformed people.
 
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