Measurements and Where to Find Them

A lot of things would be a lot easier for people if they were taught more of the Imperial System... For one, the Metric System. It is easier to slot Metric measurements in once you know more of the Imperial ones. One thing I hate, is that they decided that it was best to mostly use feet and miles. As things go, remembering smaller numbers tends to be easier.
I disagree, I think it would be much easier if the old measurements died the long overdue death they deserve. I've learnt them only because of legacy and foreign datasets - like the survey maps I mentioned. I do woodwork for a hobby and even the US-centric forums are predominately metric or moving that way. Aerospace has long been entirely metric - the Mars Climate Orbiter was a good example of why.

It's a legacy system and deserves to be left as the interesting historical footnote it is.

Just a reminder... The Metre was originally defined as one one-millionth of the distance from the Equator to the North Pole. All forms of measurement are arbitrary and based off of convention.

Edit: Sorry, it was one ten-millionth.
And is now defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299792458 second.
 
Also, the main reason is because I prefer Imperial measurements. See the list of measurements I put together below.
I see your list and I'll raise you the back of a 1950s British exercise book:


We had to learn many of these tables, although this version doesn't cover everything. I distinctly remember that -
5½ Yards = 1 Rod, Pole or Perch​
22 Yards = 1 Chain (the length of a cricket pitch)​
10 Chains = 1 Furlong​
80 Chains = 1 Mile​
We poor, innocent lambs, knew nothing of modular arithmetic, of course, but used it constantly in page after page of sums calculating money or length or weight or volume, where pence had to be converted to shillings using MOD 12 and any remainder converted to pounds using MOD 20 (that was after we dropped the 4 Farthings to a Penny rule); inches to feet with Mod 12, feet to yards with MOD 3, then yards to miles with MOD 1760. We just divided and worked on the remainder.
Fortunately, only auctioneers (and only high-class ones at that) needed to convert pounds into guineas by applying MOD 21 to £n x 20.
Difficulties were compounded when fractions of units were fed into the calculations: "A man digs half a Stone of potatoes from his garden. How much more does he need to have three-quarters of a hundredweight?"
It really was a monumental waste of time with a minimum of intellectual development. But then, we learned Latin to stimulate our minds.

It's a legacy system and deserves to be left as the interesting historical footnote it is.
Hear, hear.
 
I would disagree with that. Unless we are talking about something like mosing over from L.s.d. to Pounds and Pence, currency is pretty straight forward. You have a numebr you are asked for and you give them that amount or greater and then check that the amount you are given (if the amount given to them was greater) is the remainder left over from the amount asked. Compare this too... Figuring out the difference between a mile and a kilometre. I mean... If you actually know the Imperial System, the difference is three furlongs (kilometre is five, a mile is eight), but for most people, it is a bit of a pain remember that a mile is something like 1.6 kilometres... Especially once we add in things like speeds which are time over distance. But, I digress... Also, fun fact, they did try to convert the U.S. over at one point. It was received cooly.
Not at all this straightforward. Firstly you need to reacquire a sense of how much something costs in general. Just like with lenghts. But you need to remember the new general cost for everything you usually buy. While being very careful not to be scammed by the merchants, as they are very aware of your initial ineptitude.

Money being our link to being alive, you can imagine it is a huge stress to everybody, especially the elderly with the small pensions.
 
I disagree, I think it would be much easier if the old measurements died the long overdue death they deserve. I've learnt them only because of legacy and foreign datasets - like the survey maps I mentioned. I do woodwork for a hobby and even the US-centric forums are predominately metric or moving that way. Aerospace has long been entirely metric - the Mars Climate Orbiter was a good example of why.

It's a legacy system and deserves to be left as the interesting historical footnote it is.



And is now defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299792458 second.
Right... Well, that is your opinion. Personally, I do not care for it, but good for you for having it! As for that new definition... It is now possible for someone not on Earth to figure it out, but its definition is not actually all that useful for someone trying to figure it out without a specialised laboratory... Hell, there is nothing stopping us from defining yards that way. If you missed my point, it is that all definitions of measurements are arbitrary in nature.
I see your list and I'll raise you the back of a 1950s British exercise book:


We had to learn many of these tables, although this version doesn't cover everything. I distinctly remember that -
5½ Yards = 1 Rod, Pole or Perch​
22 Yards = 1 Chain (the length of a cricket pitch)​
10 Chains = 1 Furlong​
80 Chains = 1 Mile​
We poor, innocent lambs, knew nothing of modular arithmetic, of course, but used it constantly in page after page of sums calculating money or length or weight or volume, where pence had to be converted to shillings using MOD 12 and any remainder converted to pounds using MOD 20 (that was after we dropped the 4 Farthings to a Penny rule); inches to feet with Mod 12, feet to yards with MOD 3, then yards to miles with MOD 1760. We just divided and worked on the remainder.
Fortunately, only auctioneers (and only high-class ones at that) needed to convert pounds into guineas by applying MOD 21 to £n x 20.
Difficulties were compounded when fractions of units were fed into the calculations: "A man digs half a Stone of potatoes from his garden. How much more does he need to have three-quarters of a hundredweight?"
It really was a monumental waste of time with a minimum of intellectual development. But then, we learned Latin to stimulate our minds.


Hear, hear.
I actually know most of this. Man, that is a great deal of fun to look at. I am going to be saving that, thank you. Also, I generally agree with you that this is a massive waste of time... A lot of this is occupational specific and the cloth measurements are incomplete, leaving out the most important one, the el. It is pretty funny that those were included.
Not at all this straightforward. Firstly you need to reacquire a sense of how much something costs in general. Just like with lenghts. But you need to remember the new general cost for everything you usually buy. While being very careful not to be scammed by the merchants, as they are very aware of your initial ineptitude.

Money being our link to being alive, you can imagine it is a huge stress to everybody, especially the elderly with the small pensions.
Strangely, that has never been a problem for me but I can see your point. I have been lucky enough to be rather quick on the uptake when it comes to new currencies.
 
Right... Well, that is your opinion. Personally, I do not care for it, but good for you for having it! As for that new definition... It is now possible for someone not on Earth to figure it out, but its definition is not actually all that useful for someone trying to figure it out without a specialised laboratory... Hell, there is nothing stopping us from defining yards that way. If you missed my point, it is that all definitions of measurements are arbitrary in nature.
I suppose we should also go back to the miasma theory of disease? Or maybe the humours? Figure it out? Grab the accepted constants, a pencil and some paper..

I've also never seen the point in learning multiple measures for weight - often the same weights.. Or have weight measures that are different depending on what you are measuring.. Then there's the pointless regional differences, when is a gallon not a gallon.. Or an ounce? All these introduce margins of error that I simply don't need or want to deal with.

Oh well, as I said, probably only have to put up with for another generation. My teenage relatives mostly have no idea how long a mile is - and care even less. I'm aware of the arbitrary nature of measurements, although I don't have quite the same simplistic view of them you seem to. I would of based it all on photon travel and C, but I'm not an expert.
 
I suppose we should also go back to the miasma theory of disease? Or maybe the humours? Figure it out? Grab the accepted constants, a pencil and some paper..

I've also never seen the point in learning multiple measures for weight - often the same weights.. Or have weight measures that are different depending on what you are measuring.. Then there's the pointless regional differences, when is a gallon not a gallon.. Or an ounce? All these introduce margins of error that I simply don't need or want to deal with.

Oh well, as I said, probably only have to put up with for another generation. My teenage relatives mostly have no idea how long a mile is - and care even less. I'm aware of the arbitrary nature of measurements, although I don't have quite the same simplistic view of them you seem to. I would of based it all on photon travel and C, but I'm not an expert.
You... Are kind of sad here. The whole point of this thread was not to argue which one was better, but to try and figure out how to modify the game... You are effectively the person that goes into a Christian thread and starts espousing atheism or the person that goes into an *bortion clinic and chants about protecting lives. You are pretty much a [redacted]. I have humoured you long enough, but at this point... What is the point? You just want to espouse the supremacy of the system you like and are not exactly being very... Well, contributing.

As for regional differences... There is a reason why they were called a Reichsmeil, a Swedish Mile, a Roman Mile, and so on. The Imperial System is perfectly uniform in when a mile is a mile, but that is within itself. The Roman Mile is not part of the Imperial System, so your criticism there is kind of nonsensical... It is like complaining that not all Dollars (Canadian, American, Australian, so on) are worth the same amount.
A Plauge on both your houses
Ah, I see someone from the Alliance has entered the chat.
 
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Ahh, personal attacks. That's right, go ahead, attack me when you have no other argument.

And no, I don't crap on Christians, it's a pointless exercise and isn't all that tolerant or accepting. I might think they are insane, but I don't generally feel the need to tell them that - unless they are attempting to misuse that religion to infringe on the rights of others.

Oh, and having done some forensics on the data available (and what code I could see) there's no way to get the numbers you want internally. You'd need to extract the data in metric, convert it and overlay it on the cockpit. The lag on this would likely suck.
 
Ahh, personal attacks. That's right, go ahead, attack me when you have no other argument.

And no, I don't crap on Christians, it's a pointless exercise and isn't all that tolerant or accepting. I might think they are insane, but I don't generally feel the need to tell them that - unless they are attempting to misuse that religion to infringe on the rights of others.

Oh, and having done some forensics on the data available (and what code I could see) there's no way to get the numbers you want internally. You'd need to extract the data in metric, convert it and overlay it on the cockpit. The lag on this would likely suck.
Argument? What bloody argument?! It is a bleeding preference which you seem unable to stand. All you have done is bring your own hang ups and obnoxiousness into this thread, arguing the supremacy of your golden system, when at no point did I or anyone else claim that the Imperial System was superior!

Also, yes... Someone else already said that there is no way to alter the names used for measurements. If you look back up, you will see me thanking him for it. I honestly am amazed though...
 
Game uses metric at the engine level and while I'm sure someone could make a UI that applied conversions on the fly, that someone probably isn't Frontier, as they have been having such major problems with their UI, whose middleware was discontinued years ago, that whenever something breaks with it, they have a strong tendency to remove, rather than fix it (ship recall timer anyone?). Maybe that issue will be resolved with the rewrite Odyssey is probably forcing on them, but I still wouldn't expect an option for non-metric measurements to be used.

Not at all this straightforward. Firstly you need to reacquire a sense of how much something costs in general. Just like with lenghts. But you need to remember the new general cost for everything you usually buy. While being very careful not to be scammed by the merchants, as they are very aware of your initial ineptitude.
I just assume everything is free.
 
Game uses metric at the engine level and while I'm sure someone could make a UI that applied conversions on the fly, that someone probably isn't Frontier, as they have been having such major problems with their UI, whose middleware was discontinued years ago, that whenever something breaks with it, they have a strong tendency to remove, rather than fix it (ship recall timer anyone?). Maybe that issue will be resolved with the rewrite Odyssey is probably forcing on them, but I still wouldn't expect an option for non-metric measurements to be used.



I just assume everything is free.
It would be great if they fixed some of the issues with the game and added more quality of life stuff. As I said in another thread, I would more than gladly pay them for the ability to customise my user interface, such as changing the colour of things and scaling.
 
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