Disappointed with lack of coat variation in wolves

Edit to add: I’m not only using ZT2 to guide my expectations for Planet Zoo. While I’m mainly using their own marketing and descriptions, I’m also looking at the colour variants given in Jurassic World Evolution. Why don’t we have at least that much variation?
Very good point indeed. And funny enough, the dinos were never advertised as being unique :D They aren't of course, but for me color variants are way more unique than shrinking down the same model. (size variants in PZ)
 
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If unique animals were advertised, I, as a player and buyer of the game, would think there would be more coat variations then only in zebras when buying the game. It was advertised. Its not in the game. But if the game devs advertise unique animals, I, as the buyer and player, would think its the looks of the animal, because this is the first thing anyone notices when looking on an enclosure. Not the Genes, not the size or anything else. Its the coat, markings, patterns, scales, tusks and horns.

Its a Zoo game, where the animals are the most important aspect. There should be more coat variations from the start. Because its all around the animal.

I am just really sad and disappointed this was seemingly never intended to be in the game by the devs.
 
I'm still waiting for the factual proof where they really said every animal would have different coat variations. Instead of the common " If every animal is unique so they should look different".

People even ignore Bo's post where she already said people are taking this "coat variation" thing out of context.

I also find it really funny when a CM comes here, saying they look into it and check what the possibilities are. Everybody's like: "You see, they acknowledge the problem". :ROFLMAO:
 
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Especially if individualism of each animal is such a huuuuge selling point. And again,almost no one here that is disappointed with the lack of feature is asking for a "new" feature but for one that was advertised
Individualism is already in the game, and calling it a "huuuge selling point" is an overstatement..
Maybe for some but on steam/reddit it's barely a topic worth mentioning. Most players really don't care that much.

I think it's a cheap move to brush off criticism with comments like "Marketing/defending". I was expecting more variation as well but I disagree with advertising the game with coat variations (pattern variations are in the game). Translating individualism/unique to a specific feature, is creating a higher expectation - offc you'd be disappointed.

Some label this as false advertising. Personally I think if you use those words, at least you can do is provide a link/quote to that advertisement.

Most people on this forum would like to see more cosmetic variety.
Even if you're not bothered by it, it wouldn't bother you if/when they decide to add it.
It's that easy... I don't think anyone is against more variations.

Honestly I never took the "each animal is unique" statement literally, because that is simply impossible. Animals have different stats and some species even looks, that's all, nothing more, nothing less. If you expected more variations, well, too bad, but you shouldn't be so demanding to Frontier just because you had higher expectations.
Pretty much sums it up for me..
 
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Most people on this forum would like to see more cosmetic variety.
Even if you're not bothered by it, it wouldn't bother you if/when they decide to add it.
It's that easy... I don't think anyone is against more variations. ...
This is pretty much my stance.
I am completely not disgruntled by the sparsity of fur variations, but I wouldn't mind more diversity at all, of course.

On thing I find, though:
If they add more variations, I would definitely prefer color variations over pattern variations!

In all honesty, I barely see any differences between those animals that already feature pattern variations, the zebras. In order to spot the individuality, you'll have to look really hard and close up. From afar, they all look alike. This is not FDev's fault, it's like that with real zebras, too.
This would also be true for giraffes with different nets, wild dogs with varried patches, cheetahs with multiple "spot layouts" ect..

Color variations, on the other hand, would be way easier to spot when just looking at a habitat with multiple animals.
A "cinnamon black bear" looks noticably different to a "standard" black bear.





Hence my suggestion:
Prioritize color variations over pattern variations.
They are ...
a) easier to do, as they would "only" require recoloring the entire fur and a code snippet to apply those in contrast to an entire logic of separate fur patches.
b) way more noticable and therefore "effective".

Oh and by the way ... the most noticable fur variation are the leucistic animals already in the game - a color variation taken up to 11.
I think that melanistic animals would be an equally worthwhile addition to the game, no matter what FDev will be able to do with the more "mundane" fur variations.
 
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The variation would also help to "bond" with our animals better and therefore make them feel more unique, no matter if they technically are or not. Let me mourn for a dead tiger for a few second, please. At the moment, animals are way too easy to just be "replaced". Plus, if color variations were genetic (like leucistic in game is, as far as I know), breeding for color would also be a new challenge and give players yet another variation in play style.
 
The topic is also not based on solely peoples' expectations,because Frontier advertised with colour variations and unique markings/patterns and people are now wondering what happened with those features.In addition there is the fact of the dev post at the end of the beta,which said that these features were just turned off for the beta,but will be there at full release,which turned out to be not true.
Some features were turned off, specifically, they said the animal interactions were turned off. I think it also applied to pattern variation, because in the beta the zebras for example had just 2 stripe patterns, whereas in the final game they have more.

It's honestly a fact that certain things were advertised, but are not present in the game :(
Again, nothing about colour variations. I've noticed you all are constantly saying Frontier advertised colour variation but don't show proof of it.

Especially if individualism of each animal is such a huuuuge selling point. And again,almost no one here that is disappointed with the lack of feature is asking for a "new" feature but for one that was advertised.
I dont think it's that of a huge selling point, a detail that is very appreciated by animal lovers, yeah, but as said before most people won't care that much about it. I think you are misunderstanding what Frontier actually advertised, also I think you ignored my comment saying the video you use as proof does in fact not say anything about colour variations.

Don't get me wrong, colour variations would be nice, but this simply isn't the way to suggest them. All you doing is blaming frontier for advertising something that isn't in game, when they didn't advertise it in the first place. Can't we just make this a suggestion? I bet they would consider it, Frontier is known to listen to their community, if the community does it the right way that is.
 
This thread has become passive aggressive and hostile,because people who didn't follow the discussion from the start are now coming in and accusing others of doing things they didn't do,bringing in different games or bringing in other topics.As far as I remember nobody here compared Planet Zoo to ZT2 or demanded anything.But because JWE was brought into this discussion I'm quite curious about one thing,because both games are from the same developer: Why do extinct dinosaurs -only based on assumptions,because we still don't know how most of them really looked like colourwise- have more visual variation than living animal species in PZ?
 
also I think you ignored my comment saying the video you use as proof does in fact not say anything about colour variations.
Yes, as I didn't said it was mentioned in this video. That was in other sources. I didn't react because I was and am tired of having my words turned.

I did a quick search, didn't found it yet. But in all honesty, I neither have the time nor the nerves to discuss that any further with you. You will find any excuse to tell me I'm wrong, I will find any excuse to tell you, you are. I'm done with that discussion if it was advertised or not. As I'm not the only one that remembers it being discussed and you are not the only one taht says it was never discussed something along the line of the marketing went wrong.
 

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Please keep the discussion friendly and respectful. We don't want a hostile environment here.

Also, please keep the discussion on topic of Planet Zoo and its animals. Comparing the Planet Zoo animals with Jurassic World Evolution dinosaurs is off-topic as that is another game with other design choices.
 
Well thanks to JamieCA, Moonfox and Swjos (long name) for answering my questions. It would seem to appear that you guys do pay some damn attention to every single animal in your zoos. I take it that your backgrounds are a zoological one? (If I recall, Moonfox is a zoological student)

Hmm... Let me put my view on this situation.

We all know that Planet Zoo is something of a virtual zoo game, correct? Think of it as like building a real zoo. Does a zoo immediately have, say, 2000 animals and 400 species on opening day? No. They started out small, with limited animals and staff. Over time, the zoo expands, the collection adds up, the staff grew, and so forth. It is the right of the zoo director to publicize the progress or no. Sure, everyone loves the process, and heck, I for one appreciate process more than result, but would the zoo publicize their flops? I don't think so. As much as many people want progress update every week or so, updates take time and effort, sometimes long sometimes short. But in the end, the goal of a zoo is to educate people and to take great care of the animals it keeps.

I do hope that people would be a tad bit more understanding with this board of directors and their plans for their zoo...
 
Well thanks to JamieCA, Moonfox and Swjos (long name) for answering my questions. It would seem to appear that you guys do pay some damn attention to every single animal in your zoos. I take it that your backgrounds are a zoological one? (If I recall, Moonfox is a zoological student)

Hmm... Let me put my view on this situation.

We all know that Planet Zoo is something of a virtual zoo game, correct? Think of it as like building a real zoo. Does a zoo immediately have, say, 2000 animals and 400 species on opening day? No. They started out small, with limited animals and staff. Over time, the zoo expands, the collection adds up, the staff grew, and so forth. It is the right of the zoo director to publicize the progress or no. Sure, everyone loves the process, and heck, I for one appreciate process more than result, but would the zoo publicize their flops? I don't think so. As much as many people want progress update every week or so, updates take time and effort, sometimes long sometimes short. But in the end, the goal of a zoo is to educate people and to take great care of the animals it keeps.

I do hope that people would be a tad bit more understanding with this board of directors and their plans for their zoo...
I don't need updates every week but it is a fact that the game released buggy and without advertised features. During the beta many of us noticed the lack of social interactions. Finally, towards the end of the beta, we were assured that those had been turned off for the beta but would be there on full release. Release happens, social interactions are rare and janky (ie babies fleeing from mom the second they are born and highly social primates having only one social interaction over 2 real life hours). Took a lot more posting for us to get a response about the social interactions (they weren't working how it wae hoped but also that only some animals had them which was not how the advertising sounded). Then we get an update where new basic social interactions were billed as a new feature instead of something that was supposed to be there to begin with.

It's this sort of communication I have an issue with. There are legitimate issues with this game, the advertising for this game had a lot of hype that was not super accurate. That needs to be addressed in a timely matter. Customers deserve to know what they are getting. So I think it is entirely reasonable to be asking for and getting answers on something like coat variations. The options are answers are pretty limited-a) coat variations were intended to be in the game but we ran out of time and will be adding them later b) coat variations are technically in the game but are not working, we will be fixing this c) coat variations are not intended but we may add them later or d) no coat variations ever.

As far as actual game updates I'm perfectly happy with a once a month post about plans for the game/upcoming game updates ect. But for issues where people are still trying to figure out what this game actually offers we need answers without weeks or months of prodding.

And no, no background in zoology. I'm just both an animal person and rather patient 🤣
 
e) coat variations is limited to a number of animals, and some users do not understand that is the case or don't want to know that is the case and subsequently completely ignore the input Frontier gives in this thread.

 
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e) coat variations is limited to a number of animals, and some users do not understand that is the case or don't want to know that is the case and subsequently completely ignore the input Frontier gives in this thread.

What animals and what coat variations?(except albinism and leucism)
Would really like to know. :)
 
It's this sort of communication I have an issue with. There are legitimate issues with this game, the advertising for this game had a lot of hype that was not super accurate.
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As far as actual game updates I'm perfectly happy with a once a month post about plans for the game/upcoming game updates ect. But for issues where people are still trying to figure out what this game actually offers we need answers without weeks or months of prodding.
It keep my fingers crossed that your patience and hopes will be heard at some point but I have given up regarding an pro-active communication.
As examples take the most recent largest threads here on this forum, to which there never have been any answer by Frontier:
And regarding future content, Frontier is known to not tell or reveal anything in advance until they post an official announcement (some minor exceptions for Elite may apply). There won't be any roadmap or anything like that.
And regarding coat/ pattern variations there had been clearly other plans before release, this why @Swjosdotschka as an original participant is right to remember otherwise.
Looking at the pictures the article provided, it appears the textures of the animals are the same.

Pattern on the giraffes right hip are the same. The cheetah has the same 2 spots on the inside of the elbow.
To me, it still appears to be the same texture per animal.


EDIT: I now see @Matteo's video, which appears to prove otherwise. (y)
Animal patterns are unique (as mentioned in the E3 Gameplay Demo) and also determined by genetics; for example a baby Zebra's stripe pattern will be determined by what its parents look like.
The most recent answer here in this thread is clear enough imo. What's in the game already (some possible zebra patterns I do not see any in 500+ hours of playing) that's what we got. Everything else might be addressed by goodwill.
 
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What animals and what coat variations?
Would really like to know. :)
How would I know? I'm just expanding the options for answers as described in the post before that mine.

I think only animals that have patterns (cheetah, giraffe, zebra) have variations anyways. (except albinism and leucism)
 
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What i mostly remember from the beta on this forum, is that a lot of people just assumed some features were disabled.
I think the 'Mandela effect' is to blame for this, mostly caused by other users or just the internet.
Off-topic but: Years ago I was part of a movie discussion forum, and it happened a lot.
Fondly remember the LOTR discussion (footage not online back then). Some people quoted Gandalf with 'Run, you fools' while it's 'Fly, you fools'.
That joke became a 10+ page discussion.. :D

I think a lot of people are mixing up coat variations with pattern variations. (did the same on multiple occassions)

Cheetah/giraffe/zebra/African Wild Dog/Snow Leopard/Bengal Tiger (i think the other tigers as well)/Spotted Hyena, all have different patterns.
Maybe even more, can't check in my main zoo with more animals...
Some are very very subtle but for example the Bengal Tigers in my zoo you can spot it right away.
And with the giraffes i noticed it right away when looking at their back (their necks were basically the same)

Same goes with social interactions. In the first week people complained about no social interactions. In 1 hour I saw multiple interactions (excluding toy/mating interactions)
I think people like to over-exaggerate to point out some flaws but a lot of similar stuff has been debunked by other players.
Social interactions have increased/improved after a few updates..
 
  • is the [franchise trade] market dying (3k views) - There's a response from Paul Crowther in that topic
  • My franchise saves will not load (4k) - actually page 2 of this topic - would've been better in that thread
  • Guests constant needs for shops ruins the game (4k) - yeah, no response.
What i mostly remember from the beta on this forum, is that a lot of people just assumed some features were disabled.
I think the 'Mandela effect' is to blame for this, mostly caused by other users or just the internet.
Off-topic but: Years ago I was part of a movie discussion forum, and it happened a lot.
Fondly remember the LOTR discussion (footage not online back then). Some people quoted Gandalf with 'Run, you fools' while it's 'Fly, you fools'.
That joke became a 10+ page discussion.. :D

I think a lot of people are mixing up coat variations with pattern variations. (did the same on multiple occassions)

Cheetah/giraffe/zebra/African Wild Dog/Snow Leopard/Bengal Tiger (i think the other tigers as well)/Spotted Hyena, all have different patterns.
Maybe even more, can't check in my main zoo with more animals...
Some are very very subtle but for example the Bengal Tigers in my zoo you can spot it right away.
And with the giraffes i noticed it right away when looking at their back (their necks were basically the same)

Same goes with social interactions. In the first week people complained about no social interactions. In 1 hour I saw multiple interactions (excluding toy/mating interactions)
I think people like to over-exaggerate to point out some flaws but a lot of similar stuff has been debunked by other players.
Social interactions have increased/improved after a few updates..
It was explicitly stated by Frontier in the beta forum that social interactions had been turned off. No assumptions there when the people making the game say they turned something off. I also spent hours watching for social interactions after the release. Not really playing, just watching to get an idea of frequency. At least for me that ended up being approx 1 interaction per hour. And if I hadn't been watching so diligently I would likely not have seen anything at all.
 
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